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		<title>By: Developing Running Coordination and Athleticism (Or, Preventing One-Dimensional Fitness)</title>
		<link>http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2009/09/mailbag-004/#comment-1184</link>
		<dc:creator>Developing Running Coordination and Athleticism (Or, Preventing One-Dimensional Fitness)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] coach Jay Johnson claims many of his own injuries can be attributed to his declining athleticism once he became a three-season runner putting in a lot more miles. Other sports give you the ability [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2009/09/mailbag-004/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 08:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do as I say, not as I did?  My experience is really within reason, less is more in high school.  If I had a nickel for every burned out sophomore I&#039;d be rich.  Keep them well rounded.  You were and it worked out just fine.  If they aren&#039;t well rounded, you won&#039;t solve that one.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The good ones will get serious when it matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do as I say, not as I did?  My experience is really within reason, less is more in high school.  If I had a nickel for every burned out sophomore I&#39;d be rich.  Keep them well rounded.  You were and it worked out just fine.  If they aren&#39;t well rounded, you won&#39;t solve that one.</p>
<p>The good ones will get serious when it matters.</p>
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		<title>By: CoachJay</title>
		<link>http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2009/09/mailbag-004/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>CoachJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bart Sessa&#039;s boys at Syosset broke the indoor 4x800m record a couple of years ago.  They have no indoor track and run in the hallways. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ny.milesplit.us/articles/20440&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ny.milesplit.us/articles/20440&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bart&#039;s a great guy, a friend and a damn good coach.  I will ask him what his thoughts are for &quot;indoor aerobic workouts that can be done in a single room.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bart Sessa&#39;s boys at Syosset broke the indoor 4x800m record a couple of years ago.  They have no indoor track and run in the hallways. </p>
<p><a href="http://ny.milesplit.us/articles/20440" rel="nofollow">http://ny.milesplit.us/articles/20440</a></p>
<p>Bart&#39;s a great guy, a friend and a damn good coach.  I will ask him what his thoughts are for &#8220;indoor aerobic workouts that can be done in a single room.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CoachJay</title>
		<link>http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2009/09/mailbag-004/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>CoachJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The funny thing is, of the guys whose HS training you detailed (Severy, yourself, Tommy, Gouch, Bat, Borton) it&#039;s Batliner ... arguably the second-best college and post-collegiate career. Makes one scratch their head.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well said and I wish I had said that myself as that statement is accurate and important.  The kid that likely had the most &quot;general running&quot; in the winter months was twice the first American runner in an NCAA final.  He ran under 8:00 for 3k indoors when that was rare and he was less injured than than some of the other CU athletes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I keep thinking you should just write the damn blog.  You write well and you&#039;re comments always make me think.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hope you&#039;re well and I look forward to sharing a run sometime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The funny thing is, of the guys whose HS training you detailed (Severy, yourself, Tommy, Gouch, Bat, Borton) it&#39;s Batliner &#8230; arguably the second-best college and post-collegiate career. Makes one scratch their head.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well said and I wish I had said that myself as that statement is accurate and important.  The kid that likely had the most &#8220;general running&#8221; in the winter months was twice the first American runner in an NCAA final.  He ran under 8:00 for 3k indoors when that was rare and he was less injured than than some of the other CU athletes.</p>
<p>I keep thinking you should just write the damn blog.  You write well and you&#39;re comments always make me think.  </p>
<p>I hope you&#39;re well and I look forward to sharing a run sometime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: CoachP</title>
		<link>http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2009/09/mailbag-004/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>CoachP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember when we (by we I mean those of us born in the late 80s) were in grade school and kicked ass in the Jump Rope for Heart fundraisers?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jump rope circuits are a seriously overlooked method of indoor winter training with a 3 in 1 aerobic, plyometric and general strength component. Alternate one minute of normal jumping with a minute of fast, skip, one leg, forward, back, side to side, double hop, etc. You could also use a weighted rope from time to time.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Another great option would be Vern Gambetta&#039;s DVD, &quot;Circuit Training&quot;. I haven&#039;t watched yet because I&#039;ve been busy taking a look at his plyometric stuff, but I&#039;m sure it&#039;s good for some ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember when we (by we I mean those of us born in the late 80s) were in grade school and kicked ass in the Jump Rope for Heart fundraisers?</p>
<p>Jump rope circuits are a seriously overlooked method of indoor winter training with a 3 in 1 aerobic, plyometric and general strength component. Alternate one minute of normal jumping with a minute of fast, skip, one leg, forward, back, side to side, double hop, etc. You could also use a weighted rope from time to time.</p>
<p>Another great option would be Vern Gambetta&#39;s DVD, &#8220;Circuit Training&#8221;. I haven&#39;t watched yet because I&#39;ve been busy taking a look at his plyometric stuff, but I&#39;m sure it&#39;s good for some ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: hamiltontrack</title>
		<link>http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2009/09/mailbag-004/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>hamiltontrack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Up here in the Northeast once the winter ice/snow socks us in it is hard to have ANY athlete do a quality aerobic workout... Our school has no track and we battle the 6 basketball teams for use of one of the 2 gyms... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;we do a lot of circuit training in the cafeteria and do a LOT of stair running. 20 minutes on the stairs (3 stories) give a pretty high level aerobic workout... (with leg burn to boot)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Spring athletes that play basketball are encouraged to run 2-3 times a week... 20-40 minutes on the treadmill or 20 min on the stair master is all I can expect during the winter months... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;anyone have good suggestions for indoor aerobic workouts that can be done in a single room...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Up here in the Northeast once the winter ice/snow socks us in it is hard to have ANY athlete do a quality aerobic workout&#8230; Our school has no track and we battle the 6 basketball teams for use of one of the 2 gyms&#8230; </p>
<p>we do a lot of circuit training in the cafeteria and do a LOT of stair running. 20 minutes on the stairs (3 stories) give a pretty high level aerobic workout&#8230; (with leg burn to boot)</p>
<p>Spring athletes that play basketball are encouraged to run 2-3 times a week&#8230; 20-40 minutes on the treadmill or 20 min on the stair master is all I can expect during the winter months&#8230; </p>
<p>anyone have good suggestions for indoor aerobic workouts that can be done in a single room&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rhymenocerous</title>
		<link>http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2009/09/mailbag-004/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhymenocerous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I get emails all the time from high school kids who say, &#039;I want to run as fast as Jorge Torres. I want to run as fast as Dathan Ritzenhein. How do I do that?&#039; I want to tell them, &#039;Kill yourself and hope you&#039;re reborn with better genetics.&#039;&quot; That remains one of the funniest, most cynical, and most true statements I&#039;ve heard. I enjoy humour, cynicism, and truth so maybe that&#039;s why I like it so much. I think it applies here to the discussion about non-running winter activity.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps your example doesn&#039;t apply everywhere because you&#039;re talking about one of the better groups ever to come through CU. Some above-average genetics there. Obviously the Severy family is athletically talented all the way down the line, Tommy is a freak and his brothers only slightly less so, and everything has been said twenty times about Adam. The funny thing is, of the guys whose HS training you detailed (Severy, yourself, Tommy, Gouch, Bat, Borton) it&#039;s Batliner (who has an athletic family - his brother can ski better than most and probably kill everyone but CW with his bare hands) who probably ran the most during the winter in HS (at least amongst the future CU guys), ran the slowest (don&#039;t think he broke 10:00), but then had arguably the second-best college and post-collegiate career. Makes one scratch their head. &lt;br&gt;I like your point about general athleticism keeping you guys healthy initially and then wearing off, leading to injury. It&#039;s something I hadn&#039;t thought of before, and it makes sense, I can see it in other situations as well. However, as far as winter running, I think in some ways it doesn&#039;t really matter what HS kids do - 1M/2M is so short unless some kid is doing focused, calculated hard training the cream (inborn talent) is going to rise to the top, at least over the short-term. And in some cases, even training hard doesn&#039;t matter. An 18 yr. old who ran a lot (70-80 mpw) is still going to get his ass comprehensively dismantled by a 16 yr. old Garrett Heath type who didn&#039;t run a step until mid-March but nordic skiied.&lt;br&gt;I suppose it may be the long-term where consistent off-season running and running-beneficial activities pay off as far as cumulative volume and injury prevention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I get emails all the time from high school kids who say, &#39;I want to run as fast as Jorge Torres. I want to run as fast as Dathan Ritzenhein. How do I do that?&#39; I want to tell them, &#39;Kill yourself and hope you&#39;re reborn with better genetics.&#39;&#8221; That remains one of the funniest, most cynical, and most true statements I&#39;ve heard. I enjoy humour, cynicism, and truth so maybe that&#39;s why I like it so much. I think it applies here to the discussion about non-running winter activity.</p>
<p>Perhaps your example doesn&#39;t apply everywhere because you&#39;re talking about one of the better groups ever to come through CU. Some above-average genetics there. Obviously the Severy family is athletically talented all the way down the line, Tommy is a freak and his brothers only slightly less so, and everything has been said twenty times about Adam. The funny thing is, of the guys whose HS training you detailed (Severy, yourself, Tommy, Gouch, Bat, Borton) it&#39;s Batliner (who has an athletic family &#8211; his brother can ski better than most and probably kill everyone but CW with his bare hands) who probably ran the most during the winter in HS (at least amongst the future CU guys), ran the slowest (don&#39;t think he broke 10:00), but then had arguably the second-best college and post-collegiate career. Makes one scratch their head. <br />I like your point about general athleticism keeping you guys healthy initially and then wearing off, leading to injury. It&#39;s something I hadn&#39;t thought of before, and it makes sense, I can see it in other situations as well. However, as far as winter running, I think in some ways it doesn&#39;t really matter what HS kids do &#8211; 1M/2M is so short unless some kid is doing focused, calculated hard training the cream (inborn talent) is going to rise to the top, at least over the short-term. And in some cases, even training hard doesn&#39;t matter. An 18 yr. old who ran a lot (70-80 mpw) is still going to get his ass comprehensively dismantled by a 16 yr. old Garrett Heath type who didn&#39;t run a step until mid-March but nordic skiied.<br />I suppose it may be the long-term where consistent off-season running and running-beneficial activities pay off as far as cumulative volume and injury prevention.</p>
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		<title>By: steepledude</title>
		<link>http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2009/09/mailbag-004/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>steepledude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, great post as usual.  I believe that you are correct in your assessment that great athletes make great runners.  I could develop a strong list just like yours with evidence to support your claim.  (I have a great story of an athlete of mine who in the past 12 months has started as a tight-end in football, pitching in baseball, and challenging for the top 7 on a college XC team—how many people can say that?!)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Too often, coaches get so sucked into the running part, that they neglect the basic tenets of athleticism that are taught in other sports.  Many college coaches are afraid of the Steeplechase because they think that their runners will get hurt running it--and you know what, they&#039;re probably right.  Their team is not composed of athletes--they&#039;re runners.  Events like the 800m, 1500m and Steeplechase require runners to be athletes.  They need explosive power, balance, agility and competitiveness; elements that are typically under-coached.  Sports such as wrestling and basketball (common winter sports here in California) help in the development of the student’s growing bodies and will assist them in their overall athleticism. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps the greatest benefit of all though is not a physical benefit to the athlete, but a social benefit. I have seen Cross Country and Track &amp; Field coaches and runners neglect the concept of teamwork, while it is a fundamental concept taught in other sports.  Ultimately, that is what sports in general and Cross Country and Track &amp; Field specifically, are: a group of many individuals to working together as one.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-Mike Atwood&lt;br&gt;Head XC Coach&lt;br&gt;University of La Verne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, great post as usual.  I believe that you are correct in your assessment that great athletes make great runners.  I could develop a strong list just like yours with evidence to support your claim.  (I have a great story of an athlete of mine who in the past 12 months has started as a tight-end in football, pitching in baseball, and challenging for the top 7 on a college XC team—how many people can say that?!)</p>
<p>Too often, coaches get so sucked into the running part, that they neglect the basic tenets of athleticism that are taught in other sports.  Many college coaches are afraid of the Steeplechase because they think that their runners will get hurt running it&#8211;and you know what, they&#39;re probably right.  Their team is not composed of athletes&#8211;they&#39;re runners.  Events like the 800m, 1500m and Steeplechase require runners to be athletes.  They need explosive power, balance, agility and competitiveness; elements that are typically under-coached.  Sports such as wrestling and basketball (common winter sports here in California) help in the development of the student’s growing bodies and will assist them in their overall athleticism. </p>
<p>Perhaps the greatest benefit of all though is not a physical benefit to the athlete, but a social benefit. I have seen Cross Country and Track &#038; Field coaches and runners neglect the concept of teamwork, while it is a fundamental concept taught in other sports.  Ultimately, that is what sports in general and Cross Country and Track &#038; Field specifically, are: a group of many individuals to working together as one.  </p>
<p>-Mike Atwood<br />Head XC Coach<br />University of La Verne</p>
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		<title>By: ryanwest</title>
		<link>http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2009/09/mailbag-004/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>ryanwest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our XC kids play ultimate frisbee twice a week during the winter. Lots of aerobic running but different than practice. There are leagues and tournaments if you look around and we even got together with another HS for a game. I usually wait to do any running until January when we start the base buildup for spring track. That gives us 2 months of easy base running before track. Ultimate continues all the way until track in March.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our XC kids play ultimate frisbee twice a week during the winter. Lots of aerobic running but different than practice. There are leagues and tournaments if you look around and we even got together with another HS for a game. I usually wait to do any running until January when we start the base buildup for spring track. That gives us 2 months of easy base running before track. Ultimate continues all the way until track in March.</p>
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		<title>By: CoachJay</title>
		<link>http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2009/09/mailbag-004/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>CoachJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes!!!  I&#039;m impressed someone got it this quickly.  The warm-ups were comical, but definitely high quality apparel.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goldwin.co.jp/corp/info/e/history.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.goldwin.co.jp/corp/info/e/history.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Email me your mailing address and I&#039;ll send you a DVD.  &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:coachjayjohnson@gmail.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;coachjayjohnson@gmail.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes!!!  I&#39;m impressed someone got it this quickly.  The warm-ups were comical, but definitely high quality apparel.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.goldwin.co.jp/corp/info/e/history.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.goldwin.co.jp/corp/info/e/history.html</a></p>
<p>Email me your mailing address and I&#39;ll send you a DVD.  <a href="mailto:coachjayjohnson@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">coachjayjohnson@gmail.com</a></p>
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