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]]> Comment on Some thoughts on stretching by Coach Jay Johnson Interview http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2011/05/some-thoughts-on-stretching/#comment-1916 Coach Jay Johnson Interview Wed, 01 Feb 2012 22:34:22 +0000 http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/?p=1431#comment-1916 [...] Here are some more thoughts on stretching – http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2011/05/some-thoughts-on-stretching/ [...] [...] Here are some more thoughts on stretching – http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2011/05/some-thoughts-on-stretching/ [...]

]]> Comment on Eight week General Strength Progression by Coach Jay Johnson Interview http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2011/11/eight-week-general-strength-progression/#comment-1915 Coach Jay Johnson Interview Wed, 01 Feb 2012 22:23:55 +0000 http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/?p=1667#comment-1915 [...] Eight Week GSM Progression – http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2011/11/eight-week-general-strength-progression/ [...] [...] Eight Week GSM Progression – http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2011/11/eight-week-general-strength-progression/ [...]

]]> Comment on Podcast 006 – Phil Wharton interview by CoachJay http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2012/01/podcast-006-phil-wharton-interview/#comment-1914 CoachJay Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:49:00 +0000 http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/?p=1986#comment-1914 Glad you enjoyed the interview.  I'll get back to you next week with a response.  Many emails to respond to from OATCCC clinic...good problem to have. Again, glad you enjoyed the podcast. Glad you enjoyed the interview.  I’ll get back to you next week with a response.  Many emails to respond to from OATCCC clinic…good problem to have.

Again, glad you enjoyed the podcast.

]]> Comment on Podcast 006 – Phil Wharton interview by thomas_t http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2012/01/podcast-006-phil-wharton-interview/#comment-1913 thomas_t Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:43:00 +0000 http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/?p=1986#comment-1913 Great interview. I'm always wondering about our weight training routine. I've been of the opinion that what we want out of the weight room as distance runners is basically the same as the throwers: power and explosivity (is that a real word or just one that people on ESPN use?) so high weight low reps instead of low weight high reps (we can get our endurance (high reps) out on the road) but you guys bring up some very good issues. I wonder if a 20 week progression from joint integrity to power could be put together or if it needs to be more long term (first year: x; second year: y; etc, etc)? I think I know what is ideal but working with the constraints of a high school coach I know what is more practical too:) It was interesting to hear Phil discuss some of the Oregon philosophy although a bit hard to conceptualize when he talks in terms of pace instead of effort (i.e. 90 seconds is easy for him but faster than cross country race pace for some kids. Is 6:00 pace what he does his recovery runs in (obviously slower than his PR marathon pace)? But like I said, good stuff. Consider my appetite whetted:) Thos Great interview. I’m always wondering about our weight training routine. I’ve been of the opinion that what we want out of the weight room as distance runners is basically the same as the throwers: power and explosivity (is that a real word or just one that people on ESPN use?) so high weight low reps instead of low weight high reps (we can get our endurance (high reps) out on the road) but you guys bring up some very good issues. I wonder if a 20 week progression from joint integrity to power could be put together or if it needs to be more long term (first year: x; second year: y; etc, etc)? I think I know what is ideal but working with the constraints of a high school coach I know what is more practical too:)

It was interesting to hear Phil discuss some of the Oregon philosophy although a bit hard to conceptualize when he talks in terms of pace instead of effort (i.e. 90 seconds is easy for him but faster than cross country race pace for some kids. Is 6:00 pace what he does his recovery runs in (obviously slower than his PR marathon pace)?

But like I said, good stuff. Consider my appetite whetted:)

Thos

]]> Comment on 2012 OATCCC Clinic by thomas_t http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2012/01/2012-oatccc-clinic/#comment-1912 thomas_t Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:29:00 +0000 http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/?p=1993#comment-1912 Thanks for sharing Jay. Good stuff. I think this is a good place to ask a question that has been nagging at me for a while: What is the place of the long run in training for HS track? For me that question raises a lot of other question: How long should the long run be? Say you run a ten mile progression, the first five easy the last five progressive till the last mile is PDQ, does that give you the same/similar stimulus as threshold/tempo work? How long should the weekly long run (should the long run be weekly?) be part of schedule? What percentage of the weekly milage should it be? Part of the reason I ask is I feel last year we might have abandoned it too soon.  I like what Ron Dixon says in <a href="http://runningtimes.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=22635" rel="nofollow">this article</a>this article at Running Times: "The long aerobic run is your home," says Dixon, one of a long line of New Zealand distance stars to embrace Lydiard's training methods. "Home is where you find comfort. It's where you go to sleep, to rest. Your long aerobic run is your home base. It's where you go to feel comfortable."Interested in hearing what others have to think. Be well Thos Thanks for sharing Jay. Good stuff. I think this is a good place to ask a question that has been nagging at me for a while: What is the place of the long run in training for HS track? For me that question raises a lot of other question: How long should the long run be? Say you run a ten mile progression, the first five easy the last five progressive till the last mile is PDQ, does that give you the same/similar stimulus as threshold/tempo work? How long should the weekly long run (should the long run be weekly?) be part of schedule? What percentage of the weekly milage should it be?

Part of the reason I ask is I feel last year we might have abandoned it too soon.  I like what Ron Dixon says in this articlethis article at Running Times:

“The long aerobic run is your home,” says Dixon, one of a long line of New Zealand distance stars to embrace Lydiard’s training methods. “Home is where you find comfort. It’s where you go to sleep, to rest. Your long aerobic run is your home base. It’s where you go to feel comfortable.”Interested in hearing what others have to think.

Be well Thos

]]> Comment on 2012 OATCCC Clinic by CoachJay http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2012/01/2012-oatccc-clinic/#comment-1911 CoachJay Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:03:00 +0000 http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/?p=1993#comment-1911 Example of Skipping Exercises http://vimeo.com/3576411 Example of Skipping Exercises

http://vimeo.com/3576411

]]> Comment on 2012 OATCCC Clinic by CoachJay http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2012/01/2012-oatccc-clinic/#comment-1910 CoachJay Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:02:00 +0000 http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/?p=1993#comment-1910 Shake Out....what is it?  This question has come up several times and my apologies for not detailing it in the notes. LM and leg swings from Myrtl, then a short aerobic run (probably 10-15 minutes for HS athletes...20 min for collegians or post-collegians), then back to the track for some dynamic warm-up work.  Specifically, I would write a competition warm-up for athletes that had skipping and some dynamic work like speed skaters, wide outs, etc.  This video shows those exercises - http://vimeo.com/4553427 Then I would have them change into spikes and do some strides.  3 x 150m In-n-outs, then if they're running a 1600m the next day, maybe 2x200m at pace, then 2x300m with each 100m getting faster, then end with 2 x 120m at 800m pace. Then I would end with Myrtl or, if early in the season and the meet the next day is one that you're training through, then you could do Cannonball. Shake Out….what is it?  This question has come up several times and my apologies for not detailing it in the notes.

LM and leg swings from Myrtl, then a short aerobic run (probably 10-15 minutes for HS athletes…20 min for collegians or post-collegians), then back to the track for some dynamic warm-up work.  Specifically, I would write a competition warm-up for athletes that had skipping and some dynamic work like speed skaters, wide outs, etc.  This video shows those exercises - http://vimeo.com/4553427

Then I would have them change into spikes and do some strides.  3 x 150m In-n-outs, then if they’re running a 1600m the next day, maybe 2x200m at pace, then 2x300m with each 100m getting faster, then end with 2 x 120m at 800m pace.

Then I would end with Myrtl or, if early in the season and the meet the next day is one that you’re training through, then you could do Cannonball.

]]> Comment on 2012 OATCCC Clinic by cp http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2012/01/2012-oatccc-clinic/#comment-1909 cp Tue, 31 Jan 2012 05:14:00 +0000 http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/?p=1993#comment-1909 Yep, same thing here in WA with 4 weeks of dual meets Thurs and big Invites Saturdays. I approach it similarly with our top athletes running to win in the duel meets and racing in the invites which allows them another quality workout per week. But always checking on them so not to break them down.  As for the ones that race the dual meets I see two cases: 1) they don't get to race in the invites (mostly because of limited entries) and get to do a quality workout, race the dual then off on Saturdays. Usually these are the younger/not as strong athletes so 5 days of running a week is a pretty good progression. 2) they have a light workout early in the week, race the dual meets and race Saturday invites. This could be seen as 'racing into shape' which I don't necessarily like, but these athletes need the race experience and most likely won't make it too far into the post-season.  Having success sometime throughout the season is better than having no success at all for most of the up and comers. (Now the state competitors are a little different all around) That is one challenging part of coaching HS; all of the different levels of ability and what the athlete sees as success might be different from what the coach sees.   Yep, same thing here in WA with 4 weeks of dual meets Thurs and big Invites Saturdays. I approach it similarly with our top athletes running to win in the duel meets and racing in the invites which allows them another quality workout per week. But always checking on them so not to break them down. 
As for the ones that race the dual meets I see two cases: 1) they don’t get to race in the invites (mostly because of limited entries) and get to do a quality workout, race the dual then off on Saturdays. Usually these are the younger/not as strong athletes so 5 days of running a week is a pretty good progression.
2) they have a light workout early in the week, race the dual meets and race Saturday invites. This could be seen as ‘racing into shape’ which I don’t necessarily like, but these athletes need the race experience and most likely won’t make it too far into the post-season. 

Having success sometime throughout the season is better than having no success at all for most of the up and comers. (Now the state competitors are a little different all around)

That is one challenging part of coaching HS; all of the different levels of ability and what the athlete sees as success might be different from what the coach sees.  

]]> Comment on 2012 OATCCC Clinic by Ryan West http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/2012/01/2012-oatccc-clinic/#comment-1908 Ryan West Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:58:00 +0000 http://www.coachjayjohnson.com/?p=1993#comment-1908 We have at least 3 or 4 weeks in our season where the varsity kids run a dual meet and an invitational on the weekend (with one day apart) in the same week. Our league is competitive enough that they can't coast to a win very often. That pretty much eliminates any workouts for the week other than a light fartlek or some other aerobic workout. I have to monitor their stress level pretty close and am not afraid to hold them out from a meet or  two if they are overdoing it. Girls especially tend to break down about 6 weeks in or so if we're not careful. It's a tough balance between winning dual meets as a team, PR'ing at invites, and being prepared to do well in the post-season. I'm curious how other coaches do it. We have at least 3 or 4 weeks in our season where the varsity kids run a dual meet and an invitational on the weekend (with one day apart) in the same week. Our league is competitive enough that they can’t coast to a win very often. That pretty much eliminates any workouts for the week other than a light fartlek or some other aerobic workout. I have to monitor their stress level pretty close and am not afraid to hold them out from a meet or  two if they are overdoing it. Girls especially tend to break down about 6 weeks in or so if we’re not careful. It’s a tough balance between winning dual meets as a team, PR’ing at invites, and being prepared to do well in the post-season. I’m curious how other coaches do it.

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